User blog comment:Ikosarakt1/BEAN is much stronger/@comment-84.107.139.241-20130712112429

So if an expression of Bowers BEAF or BEAN results in a higher ordinal V. And Bird uses a higher ordinal V to denote some higher structure, those are two different things. The result of the evaluation of an expression in Bird's structure with that ordinal V is much Bigger.

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